Posted by
rycK on Monday, August 03, 2009 10:39:27 AM
There is No Tax Bottom
to George Stephanopoulos’ ‘Bottom Line’ Other than his Bottom
Abstract: We are hopelessly in
debt and our government can do no more than raise taxes and print money. The
amount of debt we owe as average citizens is way beyond our ability to repay.
Our government lies to us about this and is monetizing the debt [printing money
to pay interest and principal on our current debt] and will now tax everything
they can. Inflation will roar and our economy will collapse and our government CANNOT
find a single place to make spending cuts. Not a solitary place. The end is in
sight. Inflation will wipe out our savings and wipe out 25% of all jobs in the US while illegal aliens
get free healthcare.
Appeasement
is best acted out in political matters such as mimicking the part of the
drooling peasant cautiously approaching the king’s carriage and who said in
some movie: ”Pardon me , governor, for
fouling the air you breath, sire..[or words to that effect]” while twisting
his hat with his unwashed fingers in reverence and advanced obsequiousness in
the presence of his superiors.
Little “Steffi” has learned his lesson since
making a comment, for money, in his book about his prior benefactor Bill
Clinton: “…a complicated man responding
to the pressures and pleasures of public life in ways I found both awesome and
appalling."[2] Steffi
is now in the nonreporting business and spends much time filtering out the firm
information during interviews with leftist politicians and their familiars.
An
example of wasting bandwidth in the ether for no gain comes from a recent
interview with our elfin tax cheat Little Timmy Geithner:
Steffi axes:
“To get the economy back on track, will
President Barack Obama have to break his pledge not to raise taxes on 95 percent of
Americans? In a “This Week” exclusive, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner told me,
"We’re going to have to do what’s necessary.””--
Geithner Won’t Rule Out New Taxes for
Middle Class By George Stephanopoulos August 02, 2009 8:02 AM George's
Bottom Line Reporting and analysis from ABC News Chief Washington Correspondent
and "This Week" Host George Stephanopoulos [Emphasis is mine in
all quotes.]
I thought
that Bill Clinton ran on a ‘middle class tax break’ in his first round. Gee,
what happened to that?
Well, let’s probe this bottom and find out if there is any substance
emerging anywhere:
“We will not get this economy back on track,
recovery will be not strong and sustained, unless we convince the American people that we
are going to have
the will to bring these deficits down once recovery is firmly
established,” he said.”-- George Stephanopoulos August
02, 2009
Gee, how about some spending
cuts??
Note: the
words ‘spending’ and ‘cut’ do not appear anywhere in this
’interview’ but do appear in the detailed transcript.
"We do not plan to ask for more money and I
think it’s quite unlikely that we do," Geithner said in his most blunt
language to date on TARP funding. The secretary said that today the TARP has
roughly $130 billion, in part due to more than $70 billion that has already
come back into the government.”-- George Stephanopoulos August
02, 2009
Did Steffi bother
to axe Timmy if the TARP monies paid back would be recycled as more spending?
No.
From the transcript:
“STEPHANOPOULOS: Have you created a bottom?
GEITHNER: But I think we have a ways to go,. I want to
emphasize the basic reality still that unemployment is very high in this
country. We need to make Americans more confident about
their future.”--
George Stephanopoulos August 02, 2009
“GEITHNER: George it is absolutely right and very important for
everyone to understand we will not get this economy back on track, recovery
will not be strong enough to sustain unless we can convince the American people
that we're going to have the will to bring these deficits down once recovery is firmly
established. Remember we inherited a 1 point three
trillion dollar deficit. The cumulative consequences of the policies this
country pursued over the last 8 years left us with 6 million [billion or trillion?? ed]dollars of more debt than we would have had by making a
bunch of commitments to cut taxes and add to spending without paying for those.
We are not going to be able to afford to do that. And it is very important that
people understand that. Our first priority now though is to get this economy
back on track, make sure this financial system is repaired. Without that, we're
not going to get our deficits under control and the necessary path to fiscal
responsibility, the necessary path to getting this country living within our
means again is not just health care reform, to bring down
those costs, but we're going to a range of other things and that's going to be a very difficult
challenge for this country. We can do this, it just
requires the will to act.
A pause to reflect
on the past:
This debt
thing is hooey. Consulting these CBO tables in this link and taking into
account that Nancy Pelosi controlled spending in the last two years of the Bush
era, for about 600 bln dollars [$615.5 bln], we find a total of $2.7 trillion
dollars attributed to George Bush according to CBO.
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Bush
Surplus/Deficit Fiscal Years 2001-2008 (billions of dollars)
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Congressional
Budget Office (CBO) Statistics
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2001
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128.2
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2002
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-157.8
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2003
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-377.6
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2004
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-412.7
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2005
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-318.3
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2006
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-248.2
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2007
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-160.7
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2008
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-454.8
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TARP
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-750
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Total
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-2751.9
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The Obama deficit will soar beyond $2.87 bln as it now stands.
Continuing on here:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Including new
revenues?
GEITHNER: Well, we're going to have to look at – we're going
to have to do what's
necessary. Remember the critical thing is people
understand that when we have recovery established, led by the private sector,
then we have to bring these deficits down very dramatically. We have to bring them down to a level where the amount we're
borrowing from the world is stable at a reasonable level. And that's going to require some very hard choices. And we're going to have to do that in a way that does not add unfairly to the burdens that the average American already faces.
STEPHANOPOULOS: But that's the
dilemma, isn't it?
GEITHNER: That is the dilemma.”-- George Stephanopoulos August
02`, 2009
This is politico babble at its finest. The Little
One squirrels around in the butts for the nuts but cannot seem to get the notion
of tax increases out in the open. There is no dilemma here—they want tax hikes
and cannot mention the T
Word in public.
What
happened here is that Bush and the Dems, together, spent us into debt so deep
that we now cannot crawl out. If we raise a mere trillion dollars in taxes to
take away just about ½ of the projected 2009 Obama deficit of $1.5 trillion [it will certainly be bigger] we
would bust the economy. There is no fix here.
The
average citizen does not realize that ONLY taxpayers pay back the interest and principal
on the debts and that ½ of them do not pay much in federal taxes. That leaves
about only 60 million taxpayers to pay back $16,000 per trillion owed on
average.
How would
you like to pay for this when we add in the current national debt of 12
trillion?? Let us see, that is 12+$2.87 bln so that rings out at just under $15 trillion dollars. That is a mere 15 x 16,000 or $240,000 per taxpayer who
pays federal taxes plus interest. Gee,
in 10 years you would only pay off the debt,
not counting interest at $2,000 per
month! How does that sound? In Oregon, the tax maggotry arena of the US for the moment [until New York goes completely down like California] we have a 57% tax bracket that
includes state, federal and other taxes.
In Oregon, the average earnings for a
family of four is $61,945. [or $5,162 a month] so a 57% tax rate brings this down to something like [ignoring
deductions for a moment] to $26,636.35 [or $2,219.70
per month] in disposal income but we can
allow for some deductions to make things fair, but now what do we do about the
additional $24,000 to pay off the
debt in 10 years. Ooops.
Why not try to pay
off the debt in, say, 100 years and get the payments down to $240 per month with
interest. Let’s ask the Chinese about this. With interest this might be $1000 per month.
Oh, but did we
figger in Social Security and Medicare costs and debt? Oh, we forgot. Let us
see—the combined debt is only 54 trillion but most workers will pay for that so
the tab is only about $8,000 per trillion per taxpayer or, gee, 8 x 54 or $432,000 for each worker. If we do
the 10 year trick above [and this is a big trick] we get about $43,000 per year ignoring interest [why make this too painful?] and that works
out to about $3,500 more per month.
Well, that does not
work out too well. It seems we need to push this debt past 10 years so can
escape a tax rate of more than 100%. But, long term loans have a lot of
interest to pay.
So, for a Oregon
family of 4 making $5,162 a month we can take $432,000 for SS and Medicaid and $240,000 for the national debt, adding up to $662,000 and push that out 100 years for only $6,620 per year or about $500 per month not including
interest, which would be about $2,000 per month on a 100
year loan. That gets our family down to $5,162 a month - $2500 –for the 57% tax bracket of $2,219.70 or $5,162 minus
$2,500 and also minus 2,219.70 for a grand total of $442.30 per month to live on. That is
an effective tax rate of only 91%.
They don’t like 100
year loans but they do give 50 year calculations on the internet.
For a 50 year loan at only 3% [a
bargain!!] for $662,000
has only 600 payments of $2,131.49 for a total of $1,278,894.62 and will be cleared in July 2059. That helps a lot because
it gives the home owner $2219-$2139 for 80$ per month. That
breaks the $500 per month limit by $12!!
But at 10% inflation:
Your payment is now $5,554.88 per month before Oregon state and federal taxes. That leaves you short -$392.88. You could sell your car or cut lawns.
But, we would have
to have a balanced budget to keep the tax rate going over 100% would we not??
Let us hear from
the Sage of Omaha and China on this from a previous blog:
Here is what the Chinese say:
“Mr Luo, whose English tends toward the colloquial, added: “We hate you guys. Once you start issuing $1 trillion-$2 trillion
[$1,000bn-$2,000bn] . . .we know the dollar is going to
depreciate, so we hate you guys but there is nothing much we can do.””—wild
rant by Luo Ping, a director-general at the China
Banking Regulatory Commission [Emphasis is mine in all quotes.]
I thought the haters were only on
the capitalist right wing—not in the Marxist camp that provides the vision for
left-liberalism. Here is a salient bit
from the Brits:
“It is unclear why US bond yields have
spiked so violently, with spill-over effects on gilts and bunds. One camp of
investors is worried that inflation is rearing its ugly head again: others fear a
sovereign debt crisis as over-extended states loses their AAA ratings."-- Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
And from the Sage of Omaha:
“A country that continuously expands its debt as a percentage of GDP and raises much of the money
abroad to finance that, at some point, it’s going to inflate its way out of the burden of that debt,” Buffett said….
“Every country that has denominated its debt in its own currency and has
found itself with uncomfortable amounts of debt relative to the rest of the
world, in the end they inflate,” Buffett explains. That becomes a tax on everybody that has fixed dollar investments.”--Buffett Sees Massive Inflation to Handle Staggering Debt. Monday,
May 4, 2009
By Dan Weil [Emphasis is mine in all quotes]
Gee,
isn’t this swell. But, we can take the Obama Solution and raise our taxes and
tax our way out of debt and into prosperity.
And this morning:
“WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's treasury secretary
said Sunday he cannot rule out higher taxes to help tame an exploding budget
deficit, and his chief economic adviser would not dismiss raising them on
middle-class Americans as part of a health care overhaul.”-- 2
Obama administration officials can't guarantee middle-class Americans won't see
tax hike By Philip Elliott, Associated Press Writer On Sunday August 2, 2009,
9:24 pm ED[Emphasis is mine in all quotes.]
“Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic
Council Director Larry Summers both sidestepped questions on Obama's
intentions about taxes. Geithner said the White
House was not ready to rule out
a tax hike to lower the federal
deficit; Summers said Obama's proposed health care overhaul needs funding from somewhere.”-- By
Philip Elliott
So, in
the midst of a depression they are going to raise taxes!! Gee, that will be
great. Won’t that help the economy??
Sure!! Let’s spend our way out of debt! Wheeeee!
The End
is in Sight. The economy is collapsing. Look into the latrines for the bottom they mention.
rycK
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The Upcoming Depression
Explained: The Path Downward Outlined
http://rycksrationalizations.blogtownhall.com/2009/01/09/the_upcoming_depression_explained_the_path_downward_outlined.thtml
From an
edited previous blog: “Only half of the 130 million workers in the
US pay taxes so a trillion dollars winds up to be $16,000 in tax liability for each worker who pays taxes. Note that 20 trillion in debt becomes $320,000 in tax liability per worker who makes over $50,000. That means that the total equity [and more] of the homes of the
average worker is in jeopardy. The only
people who can pay high taxes are those with wealth and property and they will
be asked, or forced, to pay for most the new spending, debt service and new
social programs. This debt is so large that it impacts the 401(k)s now so
popular since Social Security is a grim
joke. The temptation by government is to seize the 401(k)s and blend
this money into some federal retirement system patterned along the same lines
as the USSR plan. All that wealth vanished in inflation by 1990.”
Krugman Scares Us with His Big
Inflation Scare Screed. We Will Rapidly Inflate and He Knows This.